5:40 a.m. and the Star-Bulletin’s web site is still displaying yesterday’s edition. It’s very unusual for the Bulletin to be this far behind the rival Advertiser.
Another check at 6 a.m. and the Bulletin had Friday’s edition ready to read, with a few obvious glitches like this one.

So it goes in the land of news.
Yesterday’s mention of the rash of calls from a supposed auto warranty telemarketing firm brought several replies. One reader says:
I have been getting those same calls on my cell phone for over 4 months now. The calls from different numbers all over the country and change all the time. i don’t know exactly what can be done because like you said it’s difficult to find out what company it’s coming from.
I have a few suggestion: check with the “do not call” registry. I found that my cell phone number isn’t on there and promptly registered my number. it takes 30 days to take effect, but after those 30 days you can report the calls to them and supposedly each call is a $500 fine.
Another person identifying himself as “a long time reader, first time writer” who works at a local car dealership shared an adventure playing along to try to get more information on what’s going on with this company. He found a shady, high-pressure sales pitch trying to pry lots of money and making dubious claims. I’m going to quote him at length because it is very informative and these calls have hit a lot of people.
The initial call (as identified by my caller id) came from (623) 238-6232. After listening to the prerecorded message I pressed the number to talk to an agent. He took my name and vehicle information (year, make, and model). I was then transferred to a “senior warranty specialist” who, I was told, would answer my questions about the company behind the “warranty”, the coverage and the cost. The specialist confirmed my vehicle and contact information and then transferred me to the Authorization department, allegedly due to the age and mileage on my vehicle (1998 Pontiac with 97,000 miles).
The authorization department advised that because of my vehicle’s age and mileage, my vehicle file had closed but that he was going to make an exception for me because, based on my answers to his questions, my vehicle was approvable. He told me that he would open the file again (but only for today and if I didn’t buy the contract today it would no longer be available) and transferred me back to my specialist. She was very pleased with the Authorization department and surprised that they offered me the best contract available, the “bumper to bumper” coverage.
I was told the contract was a Warrantech Deluxe and that a 48 month/60,000 mile $100 deductible contract would cost me $933.50 per year or $3,734.00 for the term of the contract. I was offered a $200 discount if I paid it in full today or I could use their payment plan (first year up front followed by 12 monthly payments of $233.38 – interest free!).
I asked for a copy of the contract disclosures and she agreed to fax them to me but insisted that she stay on the line with me so she could help answer any questions I might have. After two failed fax attempts I gave her my e-mail address and received the disclosures. We spoke while waiting for the document to come through. I asked how they got my telephone number and was told that she didn’t know how they got my work number, but that in general, they received the names and vehicle information from dealerships (!).
In response to my inquiry about redemption locations in Hawaii, I was told that I could take it to my dealer or to the chain repair shops. I asked for specifics and was told Firestone would accept it and that I could take my Pontiac to Cutter PBG in Waipahu (she looked up Pontiac dealers near my zip code on-line while we spoke). I repeatedly asked her if I could call her back after reviewing the contract disclosures and was told they could not take call backs. She would not provide me with her phone number. I was told I could cancel the policy and would be refunded my purchase price less a $100 administrative fee, then read on the disclosures that the cancellation administrative fee for Warrantech was $25. When questioned about the inconsistency, they advised the Warrantech policy would apply.
I asked about door to door refund applicability and was told I would be able to cancel it less the administrative fee. When I finally told her I was not interested, I was told my file would close after today and that the contract would no longer be available to me. She even went so far to tell me that my vehicle could be red-flagged because the warranty companies “might think I was trying to put something over on them”. I did not point out that they would be hard pressed to red-flag my vehicle since I hadn’t ever provided them with the VIN, the license number or even my real name. These are some of the tactics the high pressure sales centers employ to take advantage of the unsuspecting and the uneducated. To summarize the misstatements and the red-flags customers should be aware of:
· No service contract is truly “Bumper to Bumper”.
· Artificial sense of urgency, must buy today.
· Refusal to provide contact information – if you bought a service contract but never received the paperwork, how would a customer file a complaint, or even try to get a refund?
· They allege the dealer provided the customer contact information, yet they do not even know the make/model of your vehicle.I tried to look up business information for the company listed on the e-mail I received in the state of California, the Better Business Bureau and on the web (Pacific Guard Warranty). Nothing came back under that name. I also tried to look up the number I got from caller ID. The number is out of Arizona, but it was not listed in directory assistance. I called it to see who would answer and got a recorded message from a mortgage company thanking me for calling back on the solicitation message they left. When I tried to speak with an attendant it said all operators are busy, but leave your name and number and they will call back (I didn’t).
Okay, it is Friday and time for a few of our favorite felines.
This is Mr. Leo on one of the somewhat rare occasions that he isn’t acting up and being naughty. He’s the one cat who has successfully worked around the diet by demanding payoffs. His message: Put a little food in my dish or I’ll knock over everything on the table. Then I’ll knock everything off the table. Try me.
So he gets special treatment. Wally seems to have lost a few ounces and is started to run the length of the house a couple of times a day. We’re hoping for some measurable progress with Duke, but haven’t gotten there yet. The difference we note with the rest of the cats is that they are hungry and waiting at designated meal times. No more of that “show me the food and I’ll decide if it meets my high standards” attitude. I’m hoping that will eventually translate into weight loss. We’ll see.





2 responses so far ↓
1 Andy Parx // Feb 22, 2008 at 10:27 am
It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how many times you tell people not to do business over the phone- and now on-line- unless they initiate the call and can confirm that the company exists, people continue to do it. Every red flag in the book was raised- the “only if you pay now… because we like you face”, the “I’ll check with the manager- oh surprise- you’re eligible”, a tactic which a car salesperson should be well familiar with and the “you can’t call us back” as well as all the other things that don’t add up – yet it is obviously working because they are running the con…
Reminds me of the old joke my daddy told me – the ad that says “Send me a dollar and I’ll tell you how I make lots of money” and when you send a dollar you get a note saying “This is how I make lots of money”.
2 Koleaula // Feb 24, 2008 at 4:26 pm
There are a lot of telephone sales solicitations that are aimed at the elderly. My father is “getting on in years” and not totally understanding of what is happening. His guard is down and he is basically a trusting guy. We have not had him declared legally incompetent, which limits our options in dealing with these crooked operations.
He has particularly been vulnerable to telemarketing magazine subscription “services”. They will call up and tell him that his Reader’s Digest or US NEWS and WORLD REPORT subscription will be lapsing soon and that he can renew now at a reduced rate. Of course, he trusts these reputable magazines, so he renews his subscription. This has resulted in him subscribing for many years into the future, sometimes multiple subscriptions for the same magazine and at rates that are not particularly good.
These services claim they are not aware of the multiple subscriptions nor that he has subscribed far into the future. And the magazines themselves claim they are not responsible for the tactics of these subscription services, providing them with a convenient deniability, while ensuring expanded sales.
Having lawyers in the family helped a helluva lot in ending the rip-offs, but it took months and months of repeated calls to get them to back off.
I imagine it is the elderly who are the prime targets for this auto warranty scam as well. The initial message makes it sound like it is the auto dealership or SOME company with whom you alreaady have a business relationship, calling to warn you that your auto warranty is about to expire unless you take action now.
Most people will recognize that as a scam, but a lot of older folks will not. We should not have to have our parents declared legally incompetent in order to protect them from these scam artists. My father wants to live in a world where people can trust each other. He is not the one with the more serious mental defect. It is the scam artist at the other end of the line.
It may be that these are blind calls, or they might be working off of databases that tap into DMV records. I dunno.
I expect that an automatic phonedialling program could initially dial numbers and random, testing every permutation within a known exchange prefix. If the call is rings, rather than receives a “not in service” recording, a note is automatically made in the record. If an answering machine answers, or if a human answers, each response makes the initial call list more valuable. If not for this product, for another pitch later on.
My landline is on the National Do Not Call list and yet that is where I receive these calls.
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